About this "terrorism" crap

No, it doesn't help much. Using a product of a religion as the proof for the validity of that religion makes absolutely no sense.

The Old Testament is something that is shared between a few religions, however outlandish it is. The New Testament though, with these eyewitness accounts, is a book that was compiled hundreds of years after the fact by some people with control over society.

 

What would?

 

I stated, "In fact, I have yet to discuss a single teaching that is unique to my faith." I am a Catholic Christian, not a christian. There is a real difference. Ask a Baptist if they are the same as a baptist and see what they tell you

 

If you wish

Blindness? What blindness?

Really? In what way have I expressed any fear? I can assure you, I have n't been afraid of anything earthly since I was brought into the Fullness of the Catholic Church on December 22, 2005.

Because I have seen the truth of Our Lord, Jesus Christ and felt His Real Presence in the Eucharist.

Wow, I haven't seen this style of fallacious arguement in a long time. You have zero information about me to make such a statement.

Actually never heard either of those till I became an adult. You'll have to find another stereotype to try and fit me into

I sure do. It was 3 years ago--2 weeks after I attended my 1st Catholic Mass--in the Adoration Chapel at Prince of Peace Catholic Church in Taylors, SC--in the afternoon.

We all have a choice. Every person on the planet who is exposed to the love of Christ is given a choice.

Nope, I wasn't. I haven't been forced into a single act as a Catholic.

1st off, I never said a thing about 'my religion' being the 'right one'. To my knowledge, I've not commented at length on the Catholic Church or any other religion or brand of faith. 2ndly, I would never presume to tell anyone why they should do anything because that would put me in the place of Christ.

LOL!!! Fallacious arguments for sale or rent, ad hominems for 50 cents...

 

You continue to dodge Cyrus' original question. It is not non-sensical. It is a perfectly valid question and has every right to be answered seriously. You seem to think it is non-sensical because you know you can't answer it. Your religion is true in your mind because that is your belief. But that is an ignorant way to think.

By choosing to believe a story with happier endings over...logic.

I apologize. I did not mean you specifically. In general, one will practice a religion from birth, not because they decided for themselves but because their parents practice it. This is why most people share their parents' religion. That is what I was referring to.

*Your religion* is irrelevant. Proving that *your religion*, whatever it may be, is the one true religion over the hundreds of others is the matter at hand. You'll see I'm trying to prove a point.

Your answer was dismissal. Hence, it was neither an answer, nor was it not ignorant.

 

A lot less scary knowing that you've secured a place in heaven with your loytalty to the church eh? Sounds a bit convenient to me, but the bible says it's true, so I won't question it.

 

Haven't dodged anything here.

Actually, it is.

'fraid not.

You are aware of what I know? Please share how you came by this

Actually, the Truth of Christ would still be 100% valid had I never been exposed to Him and His Church.

So tell me, please. Of what am I ignorant?

"Happier endings"? Christ was crucified. St. Stephen was stoned to death. St Paul and St Peter were killed for their faith. The Christians Nero burned alive...or did you mean Eternal Life in Heaven with God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

I was not raised Catholic. I was raised in a Protestant variation which I left at the age of 19 for a Christ-less life.

I don't need or have to prove anything. Christ Jesus is all the proof there is now or will ever be.

May the Peace of Our Lord be with you, always!

 

Actually, I haven't *secured* anything. Still have more life to live, thanks be to God. More time to try to be a living witness for Christ and His Church.

The Bible says this? Really? Please share with us where this is so. After you do that, please show me where and how I exemplfy this notion in my everyday life

 

religion...

whose is correct...accurate...the truth? every proponent of thier chosen faith will argue with infailable resources and proof...ever opponent will do the same...each closes their mind and thoughts to the other persons ideas based on the facts or teachings they were given...its not a winnable debate...the only people who truly know "where we go when we die" are the ones who have left us..and ya know what? they ain't talk'n...they aren't writing scriptures or scientific documents about what is and what was...each side can argue till both are blue in the face...

as ive stated before in a previous topic...faith is important...no matter what it is..in science...in your religious beliefs or in squirrles with big nuts...whatever gets you thru the day...but there is no way you are going to convince the big nutted squirrel guy that your god is the be all end all to his/her life...nor is the big nutted squirrel guy going to convince you that his...whatever big nutted squirrel guys think.. solution to salavation lies in his beliefs...

what is important...is how people interact...you cannot tell me your beliefs and expect me to follow them blindy and that what i believe is wrong...or..misguided...nor should i expect you to follow mine...(im leaning towards big nutted squirrels actually) science can debunk many things in the scriptures..bible...other things it cannot...and also what it cannot debunk is the devotion that people have...no matter how hard we may try to prove someone wrong...you cannot argue with a persons faith...their strength of will...and that...was given to us by god...or in line with darwins theory...



/rant

and verdictis...the world is not square it would be ridiculous to even think such a thing...perhaps as ridiculous as thinking the world was saaaayyy...round?

galelio ring any bells? what happend to him when he went against the current religious hierarchy to find answers? what happend to this scientist when he found answers that would in fact go against what the catholic church as stated as truth?

persecution...torture...forced to recant everything he found out using science...imagine what would have...could have been different if this man was allowed to explore the endless possiblities beyond the catholic church at that time...aaahh...the good old dark ages...the time in history when the church and religion ruled everything...

no religion is free from dirty dark secrets...or shamefull pasts...but to follow blindly as they did...with a mind not free or open to others beliefs and ideas...almost makes me think that i may be witnessing another dark age...

but..thats just me..im a lesbian...and your god made me that way...and there are some days that im just downright pissed off about it...perhaps even bitter...but what can i do about? change? get closer to a god and he will make it all better? ask for forgivness for some sin that i didn't do? for some sin that was given to me...i need to make sacrifices...doesn't make sense...so please excuse me if i do feel a bit sensitive on the holier than tho topic of your creator...

/rant off

 

I believe in the Truth of the Spaghetti Monster.

 

testflight, I consider you a friend. I may not agree all the time with you, but you are a friend all the same.

Friends understand, misunderstand, agree, disagree, get angry, forgive, and continue to be friends. As long as we continue to be able to communicate, then hope is not lost.

 

Occam's Razor when applied to religion.

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In the philosophy of religion, Occam's razor is sometimes applied to the existence of God; if the concept of God does not help to explain the universe, it is argued, God is irrelevant and should be cut away (Schmitt 2005). While Occam's razor cannot prove God's nonexistence, it does imply that, in the absence of compelling reasons to believe in God, unbelief should be preferred.

There is much controversy over whether such compelling reasons exist or not. The history of theistic thought is rife with attempts at formulating them: the cosmological argument, for example, states that the universe must be the result of a "first cause" and that that first cause must be God. Similarly, the teleological argument credits the appearance of design and order in the universe to supernatural intelligence. Many people believe in miracles or have what they call religious experiences, and some theists consider creationism to be more believable than naturalistic explanations for the diversity and history of life on earth.[1]

The majority of the scientific community maintains that these arguments fail to necessitate the inclusion of the God hypothesis in the world model, instead preferring explanations that deal with the same phenomena within the confines of existing scientific models. The necessity of a God in the teleological argument is challenged by the effects of emergence, leading to the creation-evolution controversy; likewise, religious experiences have naturalistic explanations in the psychology of religion. Other theistic arguments, such as the argument from miracles, are sometimes pejoratively said to be arguing for a mere God of the gaps. Whether or not God actually works miracles, any explanation that "God did it" must fit the facts and make accurate predictions better than more parsimonious guesses like "something did it", or else Occam's razor still cuts God out.

Rather than argue for the necessity of God, some theists consider their belief to be based on grounds independent of, or prior to, reason, making Occam's razor irrelevant. This was the stance of Søren Kierkegaard, who viewed belief in God as a leap of faith which sometimes directly opposed reason (McDonald 2005); this is also the same basic view of Clarkian Presuppositional apologetics, with the exception that Clark never thought the leap of faith was contrary to reason. (See also: Fideism). In a different vein, Alvin Plantinga and others have argued for reformed epistemology, the view that God's existence can properly be assumed as part of a Christian's epistemological structure. (See also: Basic beliefs). Yet another school of thought, Van Tillian Presuppositional apologetics, claims that God's existence is the transcendentally necessary prior condition to the intelligibility of all human experience and thought. In other words, proponents of this view hold that there is no other viable option to ultimately explain any fact of human experience or knowledge, let alone a simpler one.

Considering that the razor is often wielded against theism, it is somewhat ironic that Ockham himself believed in God. He apparently considered Christianity to be outside the scope of his rule, once writing, "No plurality should be assumed unless it can be proved (a) by reason, or (b) by experience, or (c) by some infallible authority." The last clause "refers to the Bible, the Saints and certain pronouncements of the Church" (Hoffmann 1997).

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I especially like the last part, where the creator of this theory attempts to use the Bible as it's own validation. However, I wouldn't be surprised if that was added simply to save his own neck given the church in that age.

 

It is difficult to have a religion debate with someone that has a deathgrip on their religion. Pointless in fact. Unless you are willing to set aside the crap you are programmed to say when your religion is questioned, and open your mind a bit, please don't debate.

I debate religion knowing that there will never be a resolution. I don't expect to say something and make you abandon your religion. Likewise there is nothing you can say that would make me believe in your God. Trust me, I went through a catholic high school, they couldn't break me.

All I really want you to do is open your mind a little bit. Find out for yourself what is true and what isn't. Don't let others do it for you.

 

im not exactly sure what you are getting at...but okay...

 

God twists your arm and makes you do things? Interesting.

 

Hamma! Ready the hot wax and handcuffs. We're gonna get hotT tonight.

 

God twists my arm and makes me eat chocolate. Even though I don't want to.

It's True. < Nods >

 

i don't understand what you are getting at here...state your points in something other than cryptic messages and responses in a way that some unbeliever may comprehend please


just be careful where you tread my friend...