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Why we left

Discussion in 'General Open/Public Discussion' started by Paladin, 3 Feb 2007.


  1. Paladin

    Paladin

    I’m posting this in a few places because I’m not sure if it will just be deleted or not.

    Point in case on why we left is what is happening now, the truth isn't being told.

    We did not leave because Arg was kicked, in fact we left well before that. We did not leave because of the TS sever that shads put up.


    Less than 15 seconds after I made my farewell post my rights to the webpage had been striped, which tells you that they were expecting my post.
    Some officers of this guild are two faced they posted kodo's on the forums the non officers could see about the new ts server, which by the way was only to help the clan out. Yet officer fourms they made a huge issue out of a non issue.

    Mani seemed to make an issuse out of it and when Hamma starting posting personal insults about shads and how he's different after his motory cycle deal, nothing was done or said. Pm's personal phone calls were never returned. Hamma runs the website and the ts severs, this may be why mani doesn't say anything to him. (hamma has overstepped his bounds and insulted members of this clan before) One person has the power to close the website, close the fourms, the ts server, maybe that’s why he was never charged with anything.

    They were looking to push shads out is my guess because mani posted something about now is the time to leave with an honorable discharge and even disused closing CDL down....over what a team speak server so that we could improve the gaming experience of the clan as a whole? It was the other officers who made an issue out of this, you all were the ones who brought up it being a crack in cdl, about it being splitting away. We never said that, never intended that, you made this become an issue, you indirectly forced us out.

    Sentrosi was the one who brought up the idea of getting a TS server, there was even a meeting about getting this new server. No one showed up for it, so shads went out of his way to buy one. What makes me sick and why I left was due to the way CDL is being run. I didn’t want to get personal but when they start misleading you about why we left, that’s just wrong.
    About the whole ARG thing, ok so what we were in a ts channel, everyone has a bad day and we were all getting tired of how the two-facedness was going on. What happens when someone voices there concern about what is going on and how the clan is being lead….you kick them out of the guild. I understand that you were going to take action due to my post about what the changes to the dragon wolves ts sever as well. Just because someone posts the truth or airs their option doesn’t mean they weren’t still loyal about DW. If as you say some people were over stepping there rights as SA on TS why not just take that persons rights away????

    Sent I'm not sure what changed your mind, you were having the same concerns as us, then one day you flipped. Then the next day arg was kicked.

    People left because they were not getting treated right and nothing being done about it. CDL used to be this great family friendly fun place and has gotten very far away from that. Lastly this is just about “Games” everyone needs to stop taking them self’s so seriously , it’s a game its supposed to be fun. The rules which were in place didn’t make CDL work, it was the people that made CDL work.

    I’m sure that CDL will survive, but to do so means you need to change. I wish you all the best of luck, no part of this is to be taken personal (which I sure it will be anyway), I wanted to clear the air.
    If you feel offended by this post ask yourself why, is it because some part of this hits at the core of you or is it because you don’t have all the information?

    Flame away
     
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    Paladin, 3 Feb 2007
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  2. Ouroboros

    Ouroboros

    You left some stuff out. What exactly did you guys say about the officers? "Everyone has a bad day" doesn't explain much, especially since you went into detail about what Hamma said.

    I respect your decision to leave Paladin, but come on man; you're just trying to start shit with this thread. :/
     
    Ouroboros, 3 Feb 2007
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  3. Paladin

    Paladin

    The intent of this was to get more of the truth out. Once the truth is out the healing can begin. I'm sorry if anyone things less of me for posting this.
     
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    Paladin, 3 Feb 2007
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  4. Cyrus

    Cyrus

    This is one of the things no one has told us non-involved bystanders about yet. What was said? This is something rather important as i'd like to know every bit of information for this meeting tonight.
     
    Cyrus, 3 Feb 2007
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  5. Paladin

    Paladin

    I dont want to make things worse and I fear that I already have.

    I wasn't there 100% of the time and therefore I dont know everything said which I'm sure will be pointed out. The first few nights we spoke about how different things had become, about how the whole ts thing was only ment to help the guild. How things have changed so much since we first started. How certain people step on toes and nothing is done. that this turned into a one side vs another side and we didn't understand why or how it came this far. that it should have been a non issue which was made to be an issue. what hit me the most is why one thing was said in pub and another in private. Some times in not so nice terms and words as that tends to happen when you upset.

    If your talking with somebody in TS about what ever you could be insluting, rude and an ass. As long as your not trying to make other people leave, making a plan to kill someone why should it matter? The truth tends to come out when people are upset, it may not come out in a PC way, but it comes out and then can be addressed. Look at the thread for LoTR....why can't one person say a game sucks, read what was wrote and how it was responded to.

    I'm 100% sure someone will come along and correct me and point out many problems with this post. Taken bits and pices and trying to flip it around or make me to look like the bad guy. I'm not fancy with words i just know what right and wrong. (this is a good line to quote)

    In the end it come down to CDL just didn't fit what some people were looking for. Patch thing sup fix them or not if your happy with the way things are and move on, go back to playing games and having fun. It doesn't need to be taken so seriously.

    This will be my last post on this issue, it seems to be a bit much to type all this over playing games with friends.

    I wish you all the best in life and hope that you enjoy gaming. I will miss you all and I mean that.
     
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    Paladin, 3 Feb 2007
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  6. The Peacemaker

    The Peacemaker

    Paladin is right about something in his posts. The healing can start if both sides post their issues. Their full issues. Everything that was said should be reported for everyone in the clan to see. (Personaly I think this should be in a DW only forum, not a pub forum, not an officer forum.) Im not in the clan, but I can tell you what would be good for the clan. Everyone calms the hell down, figures out what everyones issues are and find a solution. From what paladin just said its obvious to me wrongs were done on both sides. This shouldnt be an arguement about who or what started it. Just what is wrong and how to fix it.

    Honestly this is what I went through when I left. My voice couldnt be heard, I had no chance to make a case, there was no trial, no two sides of the story, just mine was wrong. It definatly pissed me off so I know where the people who are leaving are coming from. But I dont think anyone would leave if you all just sit down, and talk about the problem. This meeting Ive seen people talking about, anyone who cares should be there. Keep your tempers in check, watch your own mouths and the problem will be solved.

    I hope you guys can fix this without problems.

    P.S. If anyone thinks I have over steped my boundrys I am sorry but I still feel that I am part of the clan I never should have left. Wether or not anyone else does shouldnt matter.
     
    The Peacemaker, 3 Feb 2007
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  7. Manitou

    Manitou Old War Horse DragonWolf

    Just to clarify some things about website access:

    --- People who elect to leave the CDL have their permissions reduced to a public level unless they abuse that right.

    --- Officers of the CDL retain general private access for 30 days after they have chosen to leave. (This is out of respect for the work they have done for the CDL as an officer.)

    These access rights are set immediately upon the person's post to leave this team. This is standard procedure.

    Anyone is free to post here as long as the posts are not out of control - we all know the limits. Paladin will always be able to post his opinions and his version of the truth.

    I will only say one thing about these posts - not one of my officers made personal insults to any other officer here. There are always differences of opinion and there are sometimes heated discussions but not once did it get to a personal level. Paladin does not have access to the Officers' Forums so his information is second hand at best. It is appalling that he feels the right to reveal posts that I personally posted in a private forum here in this public area when he had no access to that area. One thing I will say: I do not allow my officers to take personal shots at each other.

    Paladin, you are make mention of healing. Healing really only begins after the right medicine and treatment starts. Constantly poking a sharp stick into the wound doesn't meet that criteria. You are free to post, but please respect those that you are posting about.
     
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    Manitou, 3 Feb 2007
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  8. PumpMonkey

    PumpMonkey

    Truth is a subjective term. I've stated this before. We all have truths and mine are not the same as everyone elses. The only way to reach the facts is to collect all the evidence. All the 'truths'.

    If what I read was correct, and what Paladin stated was true - You would never know becuase it was went via the Private Messaging system. (shrugs).

    Excellent news, however, no one should be taking personal shots at one another. It petualant and not at all good character.

    The way I read his post was that he *is* trying to begin the healing. He avoided slander, refused to go on a tirade, worked at explaining his point of view and was trying to do so in a calm manner.
    And as it was pointed out more than once in this thread, perhaps publicly is *not* the best place to do this.
    Only once have I gotten angry when I was a Forum Admin. The individual insulted (publicly) one of my team and I warned him to NEVER do that again, and I gave the individual 2 warning points in his profile (After a certian number they get suspended, and if they continue, they are banned).

    We SHOULD air everything out, and in order to clear the air we need to do some spring cleaning. And I expect that to clean these wounds we may need to use some rather stinging ointment.
    As we proceed, may I suggest that we
    a) Continue/move this thread into the private sector,
    or
    b) Make a new thread in the private forums?

    ~PM~
     
    PumpMonkey, 3 Feb 2007
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  9. Manitou

    Manitou Old War Horse DragonWolf

    American Heritage Dictionary
    Slander
    1. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
    2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

    That fits some of the things he said.

    Pump - I won't get into a debate over the minutiae of Paladin's post and my reply. He doesn't have, and never had, access to the Officers' Forums so anything he says here is second-hand and is actually a further violation of the CoC (of which I understand he is no longer bound).

    I do have all the facts and did hear all the "truths" and I am intimately involved in every last detail of this whole event. We have collected the evidence and we pressed on and acted on a course of action as the evidence allowed.

    Our desire is that we all move on from here in a positive direction.
     
    Manitou, 3 Feb 2007
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