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Discussion in 'General Open/Public Discussion' started by Om, 8 Aug 2007.


  1. I LOVE that song.

    Crime is a revenue generating business here in the U.S. a pretty big one at that.

    So much misinformation about the poor plant was tossed around in the past that society has to go through a "detox" process. Get rid of the misinformation, people don't believe marijuana makes you kill people anymore. Misinformation like this was the primary "educational" material regarding marijuana.

    It's funny how people can so easily form opinions of things they know nothing about.
     
  2. Manitou

    Manitou Old War Horse DragonWolf

    Om brings up a good point. This is the classic struggle with the One and the Many. The particulars and the unity.
     
  3. Ground Chuk

    Ground Chuk BANNED

    Not really. Here it is.


    Those who's primary goal is to have an understanding of the truth, what is right, what is real and who choose to act according to that. Sheepdog.


    those who's primary goal is to have control and achieve their own success and are willing to do whatever it takes to other people to get what they want. Wolf. (I don't like the analogy, but go with it)


    Those who don't think for themselves. The sheep. Uhhh...Sheep.

    This will explain the Sheepdog, Wolf and Sheep http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
     
  4. I am going to read this to my young men at our next weekend campout when we gather around the campfire and talk. I see sheep dogs when they are just puppies in BSA!
     
  5. Marijuana will never be legalized/de-criminalized due to the fact that the government can't control the growth, sale, and distribution of it like they do with tobacco & alcohol.
    IMHO it is no worse than alcohol or tobacco. When I did try it, I didn't want to jump in my car and go for a ride, or fell invincible as I have with alcohol. I know of someone who does not use tobacco, but does use marijuana and does not have the health issues I as a smoker have. He uses it on a regular basis and I don't feel he is any more crazy than the rest of us.

    Just my .02$
     
  6. Om

    Om DragonWolf

    chuck, that was a good read. I disagree on a major point. I believe sheep cause a lot of problems in this world because they do other's bidding without fully accepting responsibility, without full knowledge of what they are doing. Sheep follow the crowd, whoever's loudest, whoever is most convincing. Sociopaths (what your writer labeled as wolves) are very convinicing -gifted manipulators.

    The powerful thing about sheep is they make up the bulk of the world. They buy things, they vote for people, lay waste to our enviornment, exploit child labor forces. Whoever controls the sheep controls the world.
     
  7. "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws" - Mayer Amschel Bauer.

    I suggest everyone here check out the movie "Zeitgeist". You can find it free all over the internet. Particularly part 3 where it explains early America's financial structure and how families that owned banks, such as the Rothschilds, whose founder was the very man in the above quote, manipulated the system into a permanent, endless profit generating scheme locking every single American in this country into a permanent debt. The system is still in place to this very day. The federal reserve system owns both us, and our government. They are completely independent from any government affiliation. They own all of the U.S. currency circulating around the world, they're just loaning it to you, with interest on every dollar. It is a system that parallels the system Great Britain forced on the colonies which was the largest reason for revolution. The colonies broke away from an idea they disagreed with only to become a different version of the same story less than 200 years later?

    So many peope are completely oblivious to these things. They are the sheep. It is much easier for the wolves to get their way when the sheep don't bother to think, so it would make perfect sense that the sheep would be discouraged from doing so. The sheepdogs, also known as anarchists, terrorists, conspiracy freaks, rebels, etc, are the ones that are trying to expose the wolves to the sheeps. It is just so hard to spread real information when the media (most likely influenced by wolves) snuffs it all out with the latest fashion statement of Paris Hilton's dog, or our president offering the French president a hotdog or a hamburger, or indoctrinating the word "terrorist" into their simple sheep minds so they can be convinced there really is an enemy out there to fight.

    As a matter of truth, Bush's administration has become so eerily similar to Hitler's campaign, and with such little resistance, that one can only be at least a little concerned for the future of the world.
     
  8. Om

    Om DragonWolf

    American's and their debt is a terrifying subject to me. It's so disturbing because it's so accepted.

    The big diff between buying a house using a morgage vs. renting is that property value accrued goes to the buyer, and rent doesn't get raised on you (unless you chose a mortgage that increases) if you buy so it proves to be a better move financially than renting in most cases. There is hope at the end of the tunnel for you to get out of debt and you can even pay it off early if you focus on it but most people don't do those simple things.



    As far as hitler and bush comparison, you will find valid comparisons among all leaders of large countries and among all of those who are at war. Hitler and his regime sought to eliminate certain people from the face of the earth based on their beliefs, race, sexual preference and he scapegoated these people, forcing onto their shoulders all the woes of his country playing on the hardships they faced during a depression that were a normal aftermath of a war they'd just ended. From what I've read and been exposed to, Hitler implemented his leadership structure. Bush kinda got stuck taking over what was left behind and was forced to deal with it.

    So you see, to me, the obvious comparison to Hitler that surfaces is to those claiming Jihad, who blame christians for all the woes of the world and seek to eliminate them from the face of the earth.


    The situation with oil seems to parallell what you mentioned with american debt. I checked out a book from the library on the development of the hybrid engine and I was hoping for the science behind it because I wanted to work on a little engine myself. What I got was hundreds of pages on the politics and the red tape, the beurocracy the developers of that type of engine had to fight because the rich want to stay rich and get richer and people in oil are rich with a lot of influence. They didn't want alternative sources of energy and highly efficient engines to be successful because it would have meant less money in their pockets. This isn't something one man (bush) did to our country. It's something he got stuck with that was done by many greedy people.
     
  9. Om

    Om DragonWolf

    btw, this thread made me think of a quote in the movie "300".

    The persian "God" said to the hunchback "Unlike the cruel Leonidas [the spartan king] who demanded that you stand, I require only that you kneel."

    implying leaders who want their people to stand, think, be alert vs. those who want sheep to serve them, and want those sheep to feel taken care of, safe, comfortable *if* they obey.
     
  10. Exactly, a model example of our great country. A country full of sheep controlled by wolves. The hybrid engine situation is yet another example of strings that certain powerful people have access to, and readily pull in order to benefit themselves.
     
  11. Ground Chuk

    Ground Chuk BANNED

    The Sheep, Wolf, Sheepdog comparison came from this

    I. OF SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS By Lt.Col. Dave Grossman

    Extracted from On Combat, By Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, with Loren Christensen...

    "Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? William J. Bennett In a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997

    One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident."

    This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

    Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million total Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

    Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

    I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

    "Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

    "Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf." Or, as a sign in one California law enforcement agency put it, "We intimidate those who intimidate others."

    If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath--a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

    THE GIFT OF AGGRESSION

    What goes on around you... compares little with what goes on inside you...Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Everyone has been given a gift in life. Some people have a gift for science and some have a flair for art. And warriors have been given the gift of aggression. They would no more misuse this gift than a doctor would misuse his healing arts, but they yearn for the opportunity to use their gift to help others. These people, the ones who have been blessed with the gift of aggression and a love for others, are our sheepdogs. These are our warriors.

    One career police officer wrote to me about this after attending one of my Bulletproof Mind training sessions:

    "I want to say thank you for finally shedding some light on why it is that I can do what I do. I always knew why I did it. I love my [citizens], even the bad ones, and had a talent that I could return to my community. I just couldn't put my finger on why I could wade through the chaos, the gore, the sadness, if given a chance try to make it all better, and walk right out the other side."

    Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial; that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are dozens of times more likely to be killed, and thousands of times more likely to be seriously injured, by school violence than by school fires, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their children is just too hard, so they choose the path of denial.

    The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog that intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

    Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. As Kipling said in his poem about "Tommy" the British soldier:

    While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind," But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind, There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind, O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

    The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door. Look at what happened after September 11, 2001, when the wolf pounded hard on the door.

    Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word "hero"?

    Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

    Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

    While there is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, he does have one real advantage -- only one. He is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

    There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory acts of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

    However, when there were cues given by potential victims that indicated they would not go easily, the cons said that they would walk away. If the cons sensed that the target was a "counter-predator," that is, a sheepdog, they would leave him alone unless there was no other choice but to engage.

    One police officer told me that he rode a commuter train to work each day. One day, as was his usual, he was standing in the crowded car, dressed in blue jeans, T-shirt and jacket, holding onto a pole and reading a paperback. At one of the stops, two street toughs boarded, shouting and cursing and doing every obnoxious thing possible to intimidate the other riders. The officer continued to read his book, though he kept a watchful eye on the two punks as they strolled along the aisle making comments to female passengers, and banging shoulders with men as they passed.

    As they approached the officer, he lowered his novel and made eye contact with them.

    "You got a problem, man?" one of the IQ-challenged punks asked. "You think you're tough, or somethin'?" the other asked, obviously offended that this one was not shirking away from them.

    "As a matter of fact, I am tough," the officer said, calmly and with a steady gaze.

    The two looked at him for a long moment, and then without saying a word, turned and moved back down the aisle to continue their taunting of the other passengers, the sheep.

    Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

    Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers--athletes, business people and parents--from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

    DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HARD IT WOULD BE TO LIVE WITH YOURSELF AFTER THAT?

    There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men...Edmund Burke Reflections on the Revolution in France

    Here is the point I'd like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

    If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

    For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to slaughter you and your loved ones.

    I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a police officer he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas, in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down 14 people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

    Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work.

    They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them. Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

    The warrior must cleanse denial from his thinking. Coach Bob Lindsey, a renowned law enforcement trainer, says that warriors must practice "when/then" thinking, not "if/when." Instead of saying,"If it happens then I will take action," the warrior says, "When it happens then I will be ready."

    It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

    Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: You didn't bring your gun; you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by fear, helplessness, horror and shame at your moment of truth.

    Chuck Yeager, the famous test pilot and first man to fly faster than the speed of sound, says that he knew he could die. There was no denial for him. He did not allow himself the luxury of denial. This acceptance of reality can cause fear, but it is a healthy, controlled fear that will keep you alive:

    "I was always afraid of dying. Always. It was my fear that made me learn everything I could about my airplane and my emergency equipment, and kept me flying respectful of my machine and always alert in the cockpit." ... Brigadier General Chuck Yeager Yeager, An Autobiography

    Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation:

    ...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling. Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.

    And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.

    If you are a warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7 for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... "Baa."

    This business of being a sheep or a sheepdog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-grass sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth."


    It is about you and I, and other citizens. Not about the politicians or those with big money (unless you have big money!). But basically the mindset of the Human, in all it's races, religions, and so on that make us so distinct from the rest of our animal friends.
     
  12. Om

    Om DragonWolf

    Labeling blind followers "sheep" has been going on for ages before any of us were born.
     
  13. Ground Chuk

    Ground Chuk BANNED

    True, but it hasn't really been obvious until about twenty years ago where preying on the "sheep" here in the USA has been so predominate not only by government, but blissninnie groups to get these "sheep" to believe their, and I will say this with full confidence, LIES.

    Lies built upon emotion and not upon fact.

    I would rather be on the road with someone that's smoked a lot of marijuana than someone that's drank alot of beer/whisky/moonshine/whatever.

    The above article is about firearms. But it does go into other things whereas people use emotional things to impress their point of view onto others using not facts, but emotional pleas. "Do it for the children".

    I guarantee you if you look at children killed by auto "accidents" or other "accidents", alcohol will be the prevailing cause. Those where marijuana were involved will also have alcohol involved.

    I highly doubt you will find many where marijuana is the sole cause of auto accident deaths or any others.

    Even when it comes to gun crime, most is over crack/cocaine or other hard drugs made by Humans.

    When was the last time you heard/ever heard of a magic mushroom deal go bad where there is violence???

    Knowing most are "sheep", the populace preys upon them. Not only government, but our fellow humans, and those who pretend to be "on our side".

    The Brady Campaign cannot survive WITHOUT gun violence. Without it, they are useless. Get the picture? They need gun violence to survive...to get PAID. So they prey on the sheep to keep them sheep. The violent death of sheep is their paycheck.

    Keep them unarmed, they have an endless amount of paychecks.

    By saying a PLANT is illegal is a way to make people sheep. "This plant is illegal, you cannot have it". Well, if a simple plant is illegal, why can't more things be illegal.

    Now in Ohio there is a five foot rule for visiting strip clubs. The patron cannot get closer than five foot to the dancer. What the hell is that?

    What that is, is some schmuck (more often ugly women who wouldn't make it as a dancer) that never goes to these places thinks someone is having fun, and they aren't. Hey, if this person isn't having fun, then noone else can! But you know what they say? "It's to protect the children". You know, because those dancers can't contain themselves after work and find they need to pole dance at every pole, and do lap dances for every lap they find. So, close them down with stupid rules like this.

    Apparently we would rather have these strippers unemployed on the street than contained in a club. See how they think things through?? Brilliant!!!

    But really, a lot of these females do this to pay for college, to make a better life for themselves. The money is excellent, and the work is easy, especially if you are a hot chick!

    Some do it because they actually like it! Who is to say they are wrong?

    But since some prude thinks it is wrong, it must be shut down.

    And we thought America was FREE. Only thing free I see going on is idiotic stupid law making.

    Start barking, so we can be FREE again. So we can be AMERICANS again.
     

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