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So looks like the Idris got a bit of an upgrade

Discussion in 'Star Citizen Public Discussion' started by NuclearMessiah, 20 Feb 2014.


  1. NuclearMessiah

    NuclearMessiah

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    According to our new chart here she comes in at 240m from the previous stat of 140m, of course ship stats are always WIP and it is nice to see them scaling things up a bit.
     
    NuclearMessiah, 20 Feb 2014
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  2. Asp

    Asp Administrative Officer Officer

    Asp, 5 Mar 2014
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  3. NuclearMessiah

    NuclearMessiah

    I remember arguing with wakeless about that point. I am not against NPC crews as long as they are toned down a bit. I heard/read at one point that they were dialing back the skill NPCs would have in game so that they would not be the perfect solider, I mean could you imagine a gunner with lighting fast reflexes and the ability to compute your speed and trajectory and lead you perfectly. It makes sense that they will program the NPC to be about as skilled as an average gamer, but the players that have above average skills should have no time trumping a ship mostly managed by computers.
     
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    NuclearMessiah, 5 Mar 2014
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  4. nachtwolf17

    nachtwolf17

    I feel, that at this stage in history, the ships themselves should have at least some form of rudimentary AI, even if only augmented by upgrade modules. Maybe not quite as sophisticated as Culture/Banksian AI, but definitely something. Maybe a control at 3 levels: Ship AI, NPC AI, and then PCs.
     
    nachtwolf17, 5 Mar 2014
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  5. Asp

    Asp Administrative Officer Officer

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    The fear is that some people have spent $1000+ on what they might consider a solo-pwnmobile, and the Idris was probably never supposed to be that.. I'd be fine with basic combat AI and whatever you need to keep it functional, but far from optimal if you were engaged by multiple players in the right ships.. So if you want to take it out alone, you can (if you hire enough crew) and it will fully function, but if you get heavily engaged you're in trouble.. That and I'm not a fan of the whole, crap I'm over my head, real players warp into the gunner slots NOW..
     
    Asp, 5 Mar 2014
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  6. Zib

    Zib

    I have the Idris and I think it should be player crewed or gimped, otherwise your going to run into the P2W argument in a very real way, or we will be seeing cap ship sim in about a year.
     
    Zib, 12 Mar 2014
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  7. Hyncharas

    Hyncharas DragonWolf

    I don't mind having ships with NPCs; in the case of ships like the Constellation, Retaliator, Caterpillar and any other multi-person ship, however, they should mostly be human with only a couple of computer-controlled crew.
     
    Hyncharas, 12 Mar 2014
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  8. Sentrosi

    Sentrosi Protocol Officer Officer

    Officer
    It's a Zib sighting!
     
    Sentrosi, 12 Mar 2014
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  9. Zib

    Zib

    Hello!
     
    Zib, 12 Mar 2014
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  10. scrub

    scrub DragonWolf

    I know there is a great debate on this issue. I think they had mentioned that if NPC's are used, they are going to have an average skill set. I do think however, that something like a tali or idris, you would be foolish to do so if even allowed to. Like asp and zib stated, it becomes more a pay to win, cause let's be honest, even an average rated crew on an idris is more than a match for most anything but another idris. Just in size and ability to take damage....
     
    scrub, 12 Mar 2014
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  11. Khorneholio

    Khorneholio DragonWolf

    They should just set an absolute limit on the number of AI companions you can use. This would allow one to slightly mitigate the multi-crew requirements of larger ships without ignoring them completely.

    The rub would lie in deciding just how many crew to allow each player. An Idris takes, what, 10 to crew? So... 2 maximum companions per player would mean it still requires 4 people to fill it up. I think that's reasonable. That way it would also take a minimum of 2 people to fully crew a Connie or 3 for a Retaliator.
     
    Khorneholio, 12 Mar 2014
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  12. Zib

    Zib

    This is a great idea.
     
    Zib, 12 Mar 2014
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  13. nachtwolf17

    nachtwolf17

    I believe it has been said that they are deciding on having somewhere between 6 and 10 for max AI crew.
     
    nachtwolf17, 12 Mar 2014
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  14. Khorneholio

    Khorneholio DragonWolf

    Per person!?! :eek:
     
    Khorneholio, 12 Mar 2014
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  15. nachtwolf17

    nachtwolf17

    Yes, per person. I have 4 AI crew members right now. There will be a limit, it just has not been determined/announced yet.
     
    nachtwolf17, 12 Mar 2014
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  16. Zib

    Zib

    I have been waiting to pick up characters for this very reason.
     
    Zib, 13 Mar 2014
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  17. Zib

    Zib

    All I know is every time I think of myself flying my Idris I picture this

     
    Zib, 13 Mar 2014
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  18. scrub

    scrub DragonWolf

    I am right with you
     
    scrub, 13 Mar 2014
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