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CA bad for vid games

Discussion in 'General Open/Public Discussion' started by Praetor-Vong, 12 Apr 2004.


  1. ** Action required before April 13th **

    I am writing to alert you to legislation (AB 1792 and AB 1793) that would

    harm the video game industry in the state of California and have potential

    negative repercussions across the entire industry. Your help is needed to

    stop this legislation, which will be considered in General Assembly very

    shortly.

    These bills treat video games differently from other forms of media. AB

    1792 prohibits the sale or rental of video games to minors that contain

    violent material by reclassifying games as "harmful substances" such as

    alcohol and tobaco. AB 1793 mandates unwieldy segregation rules for

    retailers to display games based on ratings issued by the Entertainment

    Software Rating Board (ESRB). These bills are a misdirected attempt at

    placing the government, instead of parents, in charge of what games they

    buy for their families.



    Full details on AB 1792 and AB 1793 can be found at the California State

    Legislature website:

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_1792&sess=CUR&house=B&author=yee

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_1793&sess=CUR&house=B&author=yee



    These bills would frustrate new major efforts undertaken by our industry

    and retailers to voluntarily increase awareness of the game rating system

    and prevent the sale of M (Mature) rated games to kids under 17. And, the

    bills do not reflect the fact that over 80% of all game are purchased by

    adults, and that the average age of game players is 25+ years.

    Furthermore, some retailers have stated that they would feel they do not

    have any other choice but to stop carrying all video games rated M or AO

    rather than risk non-compliance with government regulations before they

    have even had a chance to fully implement the industry's voluntary program.

    The IGDA firmly believes that games are a medium of expression that should

    receive the same level of respect, and protection, as other forms of art

    and entertainment. These bill are one more step on the slippery slope of

    government regulation, oversight and control over our creative endeavors.

    Here is how you can help stop this legislation. The Arts and Entertainment

    Committee will be considering these bills on April 13th and the Public

    Safety Committee will be considering them soon after. If you reside in the

    district of one of these Committees' members, it is imperative that you

    email or fax him/her as soon as possible to urge a vote against this

    legislation.

    A draft letter that you can modify and send is available at the IGDA site:

    http://www.igda.org/censorship/CA_letter.php

    As well as a list of the members of both Committees:

    http://www.igda.org/censorship/CA_reps.php

    If you do not know who your reps are, you can cross check online first:

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html



    Please grab the letter, tweak it as you see fit and send it off to the

    appropriate Committee member (ie, the one from the district you are in).

    Please copy me on your email or letter.



    These bills are unnecessary and unworkable and would unfairly single out

    video games. Lawmakers should refrain from damaging an industry that is so

    critical to the Californian economy and discourage our positive voluntary

    efforts to address the issues that policymakers have been demanding. Thanks

    for your consideration of this request. If you have any questions, please

    let me know.



    Some additional background info links:

    Reference: Anti-Censorship Key Points

    http://www.igda.org/censorship/points.php

    Letter: IGDA opposition letter to Leland Yee

    http://www.igda.org/censorship/IGDA_letter-to-Yee_200402.pdf

    Article: Regulation Is Everyone's Business

    http://www.igda.org/articles/dellarocca_regulation.php

    Article: Violent video games under fire in Assembly

    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/04/05/BAGSB60LTD1.DTL

    Article: Video games spark debate, legislation

    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/7832112.htm

    Interview: Leland Y. Yee Interview at HomeLan

    http://www.homelanfed.com/index.php?id=19058
     
  2. I saw a report on Dateline awhile back. They tested these laws by checking to see if Walmarts and other game dealers in some state (where this is currently in effect [no M's to minors]). Turns out, only one person in ~50 kids was asked if he was old enough, and even then he was still able to buy the game.

    No one is going to enforce this, unless they put a police officer at every checkout register.
     
  3. That Dateline story was crap (Not that they'd ever do anything sensational to get a story :rolleyes: ). I work at Walmart and buy most of my games there because I get a discount. The register won't let the checker check the game out without a driver's license number, just like alchohol. Walmart has been doing that for a long time too.
     
  4. This law is uneforceable unless they want to start placing them in with the beer. They really need to look at movies first. Anybody can buy an R Rated movie.
     
  5. Its good to be of age :D
     
  6. Great Dane

    Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

    I did my part.

     
  7. Great Dane you hit the nail on the head.
     
  8. Hey Nav, how does it work if the person doesn't have a driver's license?
     
  9. Sentrosi

    Sentrosi Protocol Officer Officer

    Officer
    I think most states offer a sort of ID for those who do not have or wish to get a license. Especially with security today (for what it's worth) you should have some sort of identifying card on you at all times.
     
  10. ORANGE

    ORANGE DragonWolf

    it would end up like most stores in my area they just don't bother checking for I.D. if they did they would go outta business
     
  11. I think sentrosi is right, I would imagine you would need id irregardless. The way these things are enforced is via fines. Selling alcohol to a minor is a $500 first offense fine to both the person selling it and the business. There are people whose jobs are to go around and buy smokes and alcohol all day long and fine people.
     
  12. and i'm stuck working at a stupid factory? hook it up...
     
  13. Yeah, they're called bums, Taow :p
     
  14. in my rich kid area(im not) they enforce and its frustating. I was gonna buy Hitman 2 but, the guy wanted to sell it to me but, he had doubts so i wasn't going to push him and i left. My Gamestop by me(game buying and resale shop) does and is just like oh thats M. It's very frustating. Blockbuster doesnt care though :-/ /me throws rock at gov. b. (he wants to give 18 year olds guns but wont let a 16 yr old have a M game.)
     
  15. from Game Daily

    California VG Bills Shot Down [4/14/2004 11:47:58 AM ET]
    Reuters is reporting that the two bills proposed by California State Assembly Member Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) have failed in their first attempt to make it out of committee.
    The news means that unless the committee changes its mind, the bills are dead for the rest of the 2004 calendar year.
    A.B, 1792, which intended to include videogames under the term “harmful matter” received a vote of 5-1 in favor of the bill, while A.B. 1793, which sought to change the way “M” (Mature) videogames are displayed in stores, had a positive 3-1 vote. Seven votes are required for the committee’s approval.
    The two bills will be reintroduced, without debate, to the committee in two weeks time, where if the necessary votes are not received, they will be shelved until 2005.
    A spokesperson for Lee indicated he would reintroduce them next year.
    The Interactive Entertainment Merchants Association (IEMA) came out strongly against the bills in a statement released yesterday.
     

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