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Discussion in 'General Open/Public Discussion' started by Master, 9 Dec 2001.


  1. Master

    Master "First Ten" Club Member

    I am going to start this thread to stir up some traffic and and see others views.

    I read http://www.arabnews.com to get the Saudi perspective. Them being one of our closest muslim allies, i think it is important to hear what their view is.

    Below are the complaints I see coming from them:

    Racial Profiling - They say we are illegally detainee people based on there origin/race.

    I don't agree with them. We have detained approximately 1200 people from arab descent since Sept 11. (About 1/4 of the people that were illegally killed in the US on Sept. 11) They are being held on some sort of illegal violation. Illegal visa, etc etc.. I think this is entirely acceptable based on 10 million plus arab people living in the states currently. Racial profiling - as unfair, racist or whatever you call it - is a requirement by law enforcement this day and age. We need to have racial profiling. It helps catch law breakers, murderers, thiefs, and terrorists.

    Support for Israel - Well I do agree with this sort of. Israel was created as a country what in like 1947. We are often blind in our support. Israelis commit terrorism everyday in Palestinian areas. We have tried our hand at brokering peace talks but have always failed due to our bias towards Israel. The current situation at hand. Israel never gave the palestinian authorities time to react before they started retaliating. If they are honestly attempting to give peace a chance, they need to excercise due process much like we did with the Taliban. I think this support of israel could cost us much. Allied support and the support of the public. I support Israel and agree with the US's support of Israel, but we need to play both sides of the fence a little better. I believe there is a need for a Palestinian state, I believe there is a need to control the two countries until peace can be worked. I think the UN needs to get more involved and not just the US. This is a global problem, not just a regional problem. The problems in Israel are affecting all West relations.

    Really all the other stuff.. I think is crap. We help every freaking nation when they need it and all we get is crapped on. Our economy controls every other countries economy. We are the most powerful nation - We are Free.. We can voice our opinions like we are now without the worry of getting dragged into the street and getting hung or shot. Our women have rights, they can work, drive cars and carry jobs. We can have many, many kids, we are not limited to a certain number. We have the freedom to be rich, we have the freedom to be poor. We have the right to communicate and last but not least.

    We have the right to watch porn.

    Do I need to say anything else?

    For the record, I am a white male, Christian born in Ohio. I never travelled outside the US with the exception of Grand Cayman Islands.
     
  2. mtx

    mtx Official Decepticon

    Israel and Palistine will NEVER get along. They are both strong hipacrits of their religions. They have been fighting before we were even born. I seriously doubt anything but total anhilation of one of them will end their war either. So I say let them die. Let Israel lay waste to the Palastinians.

    Israels military is strong, mean, fast, and backed by U.S. weaponry. They are a force to be reckoned with and they will not go through with the BS peace procedure. Strategically we need Israel a bit more than Palastine. Regardless of what you may hear a lot of the middle east hates and fears Israel. They know what Israel is capable. That's why you don't see anyone other than the Palastinians fucking with them.

    If things in the middle east go bad we will need Israels firepower. As for Saudi's well.. I don't really care what happens to them as long as my oil keeps coming.

    As for the America being free thing well I don't really see it. I lived in South Africa and had just as many freedoms there as I do here. I suppose free enterprise is about the biggest difference I can think of. Other than that I am limited in everything I do. One day I may spank my daughter for being bad. If a tree hugger sees that they are going to call child protective services. Then I have to explain why I spanked my child? If I did it.. correctly? That's a load shit to me.

    It's attitudes like that that have kids going to useless therapists because one day they were yelled at for doing something bad and oh that was so terrible. Then some llama comes along and supports them on it. As for the women having rights.. well I guess that's okay :D. But the double standard is getting annoying.
     
  3. master..

    I had to revive this thread.

    I don't believe that anyone around here would actually want to state their opinion on any of this heh
     
  4. mtx

    mtx Official Decepticon

    That's because no one here is real. None of you are true to yourselves. You are all scared to be true to your feelings because it isn't politically correct. Your freedom of speech is silenced by your own fear.

    Those who cannot be true to themselves are truely sad indeed.
     
  5. :finger:
     
  6. Great Dane

    Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

    I have decided to obstain from reading it after how well my point of view was recieved last week.
     
  7. Racial Profiling - They say we are illegally detainee people based on there origin/race.

    1.) Detaining is one thing, using a profile as a means to decrease the 'suspect' pool is another. If you detain/jail someone solely based on a profile, then it had better be a case of national emergency.
    (which it is, everything points to more impending attacks)

    So far as cops using profiles to stop and question or search someone. Well...I dont think the majority of cops are racists. Most of the cops I know. black or white, will tell you if ya wanna find a crack dealer, head for the black neighborhoods.
    People who say this is racist are basically completely ignorant of the facts. Ask the people who work & deal with the dealers-druggies-criminals who the right people are to look for, when attempting to apprehend drug related suspects. Ask the Border Patrol who the 'mules' are. Somehow I dont think they're gonna find too many folks who fit the profile of, say, your grandmother, hauling drugs in.

    Support for Israel:
    As far as I have been able to ascertain, with the exception of the still argued massacres at Sabra & Shatilla, everything Israel has done has been a defensive measure. And yes, going after someone you know has immediate plans to launch an attack is still a defensive measure.
    The Palestinians, and I know one who gives me his viewpoints, which are those of someone who has ' been there, and done that ' dont deny that Israel has been provoked. But resent the fact that all the aid has seemingly been Israels. Yes, the U.S. sends aid to Palestine, but it's almost solely food & medicine. And I dont see the need to send any military aid to them. From everything I have gathered, the Palestinians were the first to resort to the terroristic and indiscriminate killings of non-combatants.
     
  8. mtx

    mtx Official Decepticon

    AMEN Semi!

    :dane: I want to hear your opinion man. Nothing is personal in this thread. You can cuss me all you want.. as long as you keep it in this thread. :)

    I've already gotten the finger from Gayzer. :cool:
     
  9. Great Dane

    Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

    I think Jay Leno put it best when he said "Racial Profiling? I don't know about that, but if you name is Mohamad, and you last name is not Ali you can expect a longer wait at the airport."
     
  10. mtx

    mtx Official Decepticon

    sigh.. the product of a passive and feminist nation. :/
     
  11. Great Dane

    Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

    This from the guy that likes to read the enemys propaganda and take it as gospel.
     
  12. mtx

    mtx Official Decepticon

    So all muslims are the enemy now huh.. and the people of Finland as well?

    Then again they did make Nokia. :cool:
     

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