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The Eminem Show

Discussion in 'General Open/Public Discussion' started by Rayzer, 31 May 2002.

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Rayzer

I buyed it, did you?

It's really not at all like his other CDs. Without me is the most "typical" of his songs on the album. Good CD.

Rayzer, 31 May 2002

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Hamma Commanding Officer Officer

Officer
I am going to pick it up today.

Hamma, 31 May 2002

#2
ShadowSpawn DragonWolf

Ya

I got it and Puddle of Mudd and Hoobstak and Defualts new albums.

Shads

ShadowSpawn, 31 May 2002

#3
Rayzer

#18 is my favorite song.

I also like the Aerosmith cover (that is an aerosmith song i think )

Rayzer, 31 May 2002

#4
Desperado

I made a thread about the Em cd and just got bagged on
But alas, yes it is different for him and it is a great cd. Without Me and Business are "typical" Em tracks, but still not bad. The Aerosmith cover(yes it's an Aerosmith, hehe) Sing For The Moment is great. And yes Rayz, I also agree that #18, Til I Collapse, is just farking awesome. The Eminem Show gets

Desperado, 31 May 2002

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Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

I can bag on Rayzer in this thread if it will make you feel better Despo.

Great Dane, 3 Jun 2002

#6
Hamma Commanding Officer Officer

Officer
Its a great CD.. definatly a new face

Hamma, 3 Jun 2002

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Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

cRap Music SuX.

That is all.

Great Dane, 3 Jun 2002

#8
Desperado

Hey go for it Dane!

BTW, yes I pirated the cd like three weeks before it came out but I did buy a real copy today. Hehe (Had to get the free dvd that comes with it )

Desperado, 3 Jun 2002

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Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

For Despo and Rayzer....

I saw a review on CNN.com that I thought you guys might like to read.

Review: 'The Eminem Show' gets personal
June 5, 2002 Posted: 1:44 PM EDT (1744 GMT)

Eminem reveals the real Marshall Mathers on "The Eminem Show."

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By David Browne
Entertainment Weekly

(Entertainment Weekly) -- Eminem has been messing with our collective heads so long now that we expect to be confused: When is he in character, when isn't he, and when does he mean what he says? Just when we thought we had him figured out, he jerks our chain a little harder.

The early word on ''The Eminem Show'' was that it would be the most personal of his three albums, and the report appears to be true. ''I've created a monster, 'cuz no one wants to hear Marshall no more,'' he whines, partly in jest, in the beat-crazy single ''Without Me.''

On the rest of the album, the monster -- Slim Shady -- stays off stage, and Eminem reveals the supposedly real Marshall: embattled entertainer, fervent defender of the First Amendment, and, yes, devoted father. What's most shocking about him, he's saying, is that he's not such a shock-value guy after all.

The playful, if dated, humor of the single aside, the largely dark ''Eminem Show'' focuses more on agonized confessionals than dis-a-minute one-liners (although there are plenty of those). The album is like a therapy session in which the shrink becomes a human beatbox.

The unhealed scars of his childhood are pored over in ''Cleaning Out My Closet'': In the chorus, he apologizes for making his mama cry, but in the verses, he lashes out at her (''you selfish bitch'') and vows to be a better dad than his own absentee father (''I wonder if he even kissed me goodbye''). The song is both fragile and furious, and the syncopated music-box arrangement matches it in tension.

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In the creepy-crawly, mesmerizing ''Superman,'' he depicts himself as both sexual predator and commitment-phobic single guy. Then there's ''Hailie's Song,'' his pledge of love and devotion to his 6-year-old daughter. Like Madonna, he's learned the value of surprise and reinvention, and what could be more surprising than Eminem earnestly crooning -- not rapping -- lines like ''It all makes sense when I look into her eyes''?

The old sad-clown trick
Whatever calculation may be involved -- basically, it's the old sad-clown trick -- these are still among the album's most penetrating moments. They test him and his audience, who may not want to hear sincerity and psychological probing. But they also succeed in fleshing out Eminem's complexities and contradictions; by trying to understand himself, he shows more self-awareness than we might have thought (not to mention ambition, since he clearly wants to be taken more seriously).

Beyond allowing peeks into his life, Eminem's other gambits are self-pity and self-mythologizing, and they aren't nearly as potent. In songs like the trudging '''Till I Collapse'' and the bracing, belching Goth hip-hop of ''White America,'' he tells how persecuted he's been by the government, how his lyrics are constantly misinterpreted, and how ''I'll probably never get the props I deserve.''

Ruminating on his career in ''Say Goodbye Hollywood,'' one of several tracks with washed-out R&B choruses grafted on for no good reason, he goes so far as to say ''I sold my soul to the devil.'' Yet it's impossible to sympathize with someone who rose so quickly, and who delights in egging us on as much as possible. (Here, he tweaks activists who picketed him, hurls unkind words at the Bush administration, and becomes the first human ever to rhyme ''anthrax'' with ''Tampax.'')

Eminem's gob-spewing individuality and wickedly prankish humor are confirmed on "The Eminem Show."
In ''White America'' and ''When the Music Stops,'' he boasts about his cultural impact, but as accurate as those sentiments may be, they reek of desperation, as if he needs to remind everyone, even himself, that he's still relevant. Meanwhile, the kid-and-slay moments -- skits in which he pulls guns on his manager and ex-wife, and the sexual raunch of ''Drips'' -- feel obligatory and disposable. His role as a jiggying bin Laden in the ''Without Me'' video is much, much funnier.

Dizzying prowess
Like its predecessors, though, ''The Eminem Show'' is a testament to the skills of its star. The sludgy rapping of such guests as D12 only confirms Eminem's dizzying prowess, gob-spewing individuality, and wickedly prankish humor. (The most striking cameo, in fact, is by Hailie, who chimes in with ''I think my dad's all cray-zay!'' like a trailer-park urchin in ''My Dad's Gone Crazy.'')

In ''Sing for the Moment,'' which includes a tirade against the media and politically motivated prosecutors, the intensity of his delivery overcomes the hoariest of ideas -- incorporating a portion of an overly familiar classic-rock oldie, Aerosmith's ''Dream On.'' The song becomes a clarion call of suburban kids everywhere, not just an easy route to a hit.

On ''The Eminem Show,'' he's still raging against the machine, while admitting that he's a deeply flawed part of that machine himself.

Grade: B
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Great Dane, 5 Jun 2002

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Rayzer

Good article. Must say I couldn't give a shit about what critics say or analyze. I like to make those judgements myself.

Personally, I like the album b/c all the songs are just packed with emotion. You can feel the pain and anger. I like it.

And damn, the beats are amazing. Anywho, I like it and I get to see him perform on MTV movie award tonight

Rayzer, 6 Jun 2002

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Hamma Commanding Officer Officer

Officer
critics fucking suck.

way to bitch and get paid for it.

i judge for myself too

Hamma, 6 Jun 2002

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Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

I want to be a critic.

Great Dane, 6 Jun 2002

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Rayzer

food movie or music?

Rayzer, 6 Jun 2002

#14
Desperado

Yup I too do not listen to critics, if I did most of the movies I've seen and thought were awesome I probably would have never seen because they aren't "critically aclaimed". (Which I think critically aclaimed just means the movie is going to be long and boring )

Desperado, 6 Jun 2002

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Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

I want to be a critic of everything.

For instance......

I can go out to a dinner, review that, then a moive, review that, and then review the CD i listened to in the car while I was going from place to place.

And to top it all off I'll reveiw the Game I play when I get home.

Great Dane, 6 Jun 2002

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Rayzer

mebbe you could start a website (or just have hamma make you one) then you could make it real popular by spamming the address on the TW and TWL forums and in IRC. Then companies will send you free shit so you say their crap products are good.

Rayzer, 6 Jun 2002

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Desperado

Hey I would do that if companies started paying me enough to say their product is good

Desperado, 6 Jun 2002

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Great Dane <B><FONT COLOR="RED">THE LEGENDARY BANNED</FONT></

I think you just gave me an idea Rayzer!!!!

I will be a Critic Critic!!!!!

I will find other peoples reviews of stuff, then try it for myself, and then review the critics review of what ever it is. Can you see me saying things like "Robert Eabert once again proves that a fat gay man has no bussiness reviewing an action film. His point of veiw that the plot was lacking and the dialogue was trite, is about as worn out the seat of his pants. Schwerzenager films are never about academy award winning directing. They are about blowing stuff up. A practice Mr. Ebert only understands in the context of his rubber sex partners. There fore I give his review of "Arnold blows stuff up!!" a rating of One Boot Up............his ass!"

Great Dane, 6 Jun 2002

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Asmodeus DragonWolf

good CD...
I personally don't listen to rap too often either.. but I do like the CD

Asmodeus, 9 Jun 2002

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