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His were vague, many in the Bible are not.
(Now if someone said that, and that shit actually happened, I'd be impressed)
Get ready to poopie-cause its in there. =)

 

I love u Hamma =)

Your too funny

 

Just cats =) no goats

 

How does one resolve Free Will and prophecy. If God truely knows everything we are going to do before it happens, what is the point in living, where is the Free Will?

I'm sure Mani's got something on this one. I'm honestly curious as to the justification for that one. Not looking to debate it, just want some info

 

okay...so abortion is gone and now we are on religion...im trying to wade thru my memories of all the books i have read and all the specials i have seen regarding this...charlamagne...wasn't he like the first main figure head/leader of the world at that time that accepted christianity and made it THE religion? and isn't there proof that he only put in "some" of the writings of these fellas that hung out with jesus? Because the book would be huge and probably unbearable to read and preach from...also because one book might refute what another book (gospels) might say?

--there is proof of this...historical proof...tangible gospels that don't go along witht he accepted ones in the bible--

i do a butt load of reading...i actually read holy blood holy grail BEFORE the da vinci code came out...(i recomend that to anyone who can approach this subject unbiased...if you feel too strongly one way or the other...you will hate it)...it was a good read actually....lots of history which i am a huge fan of...personally..i think jesus was this really cool guy...who had some really cool ideas and ways to live...and the leaders and people of that time...took a good mans ideals and totally corrupted them to serve thier own purposes...like...controlling a nation...i.e catholicism/inquisition/burning witches/persecuting protestants...the list goes on and on and that poor jesus guy...well thats his burdon put upon him by these so called christians...anywho...

L. Ron Hubbard is a perfect example of what happend back then...we laugh at him and his scientology now....if he had the backing of a govt like rome did...we wouldn't be laughing at him...we would be joining him so we wouldn't be executed....he said it...best and fastest way to make money...create a religion...


--edit-- and zab...according to the old beliefs...goats were indeed sacrificed...yer doing it wrong man...get thee to a goat farm!!! or yer gods gonna be really pissed off....cats...bah..what are you thinking????

 

Honestly Tyst I think the evolution of religion over time is facinating. I haven't read nearly as much as I would like to on the topic. Speaking of money, you used to have to pay to have your sins forgiven. Or you could pay rather, it was perfectly acceptable back in the day.

The Catholic church still holds that the Pope is infallable. I think that one amuses most of the world.

Anywho, any recommendations for reading would be welcome. My uncle want's me to read the The Bible Fraud by Tony Bushby, but I haven't gotten around to it in like 5 years since he started asking

 

ive got a whole cupboard full of cans 'o worms...if ya need any...just lemme know...the can openers tho....you know how many of those damn things i go thru? sheesh....

 

Rayzer,
I will let Mani answer that one for himself since you called him out on it.

(I don't really sacrifice cats)-I don't even have a basement. Everyone would see it if I did it on the front lawn.

Keep in mind that Mr. Hubbard says know the truth _(or something like that)
but does say that his work is fiction.

 

Well if i and when i die, i guess i should convert to Sciencetology, atleast if i wanna see any good movies since all the actors have and thats the heaven or such that they will be in hahahahaha

 

or such may be right

 

ah yes....he says he knows the truth..just like all the prophets said they know/knew the truth....where is the difference?....however in this time you gotta work for a living...so mr. hubbard was a writer...you can't just roam around the country here and ask for handouts...the days of the nomads are over...heh


and what? you really don't sacrifice cats??? omg...you so had me going on that one but really...you do need to get a goat...or has that part of the religion been replaced for a more "reasonable" sacrifice...

 

I think more people would go to church is we still sacrificed goats

 

getting closer

(Actually there is)

 

Ehemmmmm KO is here........

Now lets See I brought Popcorn, BBQ, Texas Style , Beer and Soda.

Anyone want some?? Looks like novel unfolding here. Went from Abortion, to NMFP to Gawd, then Goats, and flipping on down to page 16 Mr Hubbard

Cheers KO

 

I think the best way I can get my arms around this one (personally speaking) is to look at it like this (I am starting with my axiom here):
God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. These are qualities that only God possesses. He created time so that would imply His being outside of time. We, as temporal beings, are confined (if you will) within the constraints of time. This limits how we view time but God is not limited in that respect. Logically, God knowing what we are going to do ahead of time doesn't mean we can't do something else. It just means God knows what we intend to do ahead of time. So, lets attempt to see it as God might (as feeble an attempt as it may be). Say we have one of my daughters sitting at a table. I place two plates in front of her, one with spinach and one with ice cream and cake. I say to her that she may select whichever one she wants to eat. I can pretty much bank on the fact she will take the ice cream and cake. But just because I knew ahead of time which one she would take doesn't preclude her free will to select it.

The Scriptures are not definitive on this topic. But we can conclude what they do say about God; namely that He is eternal, without beginning and without end and time is not applicable to God's nature. From this we can attempt to answer the question of our free will and God's knowledge of what we will do when exercising it.

Unfortunately I agree with this. People love sensationalism.

This one always cracked me up as well. I have always wanted to ask them at what point does he becomes infallible and how long does it last? Also, who declares his infallibility and are they infallible when they declare it? If not, maybe they made a mistake.

 

So, what's that say about me that if given those choices, I'd probably take the spinach?

(And then finish off the cake and ice cream after )
(well.. depending on the flavors )

 

If I knew you well enough I could tell you which one you would choose every time - but it still doesn't change the fact you chose with free will.