VA Tech

Criminals, for the most part, are cowards. They want no confrontation. "Criminals prefer unarmed victims".

When more law-abiding citizens are armed, the criminal element is less likely to strike. That is why in states where ccw has become legal for law-abiding citizens, crime has dropped.

Criminals who are locked up say they would go to places they knew guns were prohibited, as their prey would be defenseless. That is why you see large killings in places where guns are prohibited.

When have there been mass killings at, say, gun shows? The huge amounts of guns, as the anti's tend to believe, would be a recipe for that. They apparently believe guns get up by themselves and start shooting. Yet it doesn't happen.

The VT killer, in effect, could have killed more at, say, a gun show...more people, more targets. Why didn't he? More guns. Plain and simple. He knew the campus was "gun-free" and therefore "safe".....for him to take a lot of lives.

The armed law-abiding citizen can stop these things. Not only because they can shoot back, but just with the simple fact they are armed. The numbers of armed defense situations aren't tracked. No crime commited, no need to track it. Most situations are averted by an armed law-abiding citizen just showing their firearm. And not even pulling it. The criminal runs away. Even though the citizen may call it in, since nothing happened, no need to track as noone was harmed.

The numbers for armed law-abiding citizens protecting themselves defensively with their weapons is said to range from about 800,000 to two million times a year. http://www.gunsandcrime.org/dgufreq.html

Take that number, and compare it to the homicide rate as a whole http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html

2005 had sixteen thousand plus murder/nonnegligent homicides. And that is ALL of the deaths, which includes guns, knives and strangulation, baseball bats, rocks, and whatever.... 800,000 compared to 16,000+. Hmmmmm.

I use the low side on defensive use just to prove a point. With those numbers, how many would have been on the other side if guns were illegal for law-abiding citizens? How many if the high side of defensive use where proven to be true? Would 500,000 murders be a realistic number? Maybe just 100,000 or even 50,000. Which is the better number?

We are still one of the safest societies in the world. A little search for crime in the other countries will prove that.

I could go on, but will stop here!

 

It's a shame when innocent bystanders get shot. But the government can't protect us from everything. Look at these statistics http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html Not sure the year they represent. The top just says it was released September 2002.

You will notice that firearms are at the bottom of both the lists for the total.

Test, you mention Gay Pride. Have you heard of The Pink Pistols? http://www.pinkpistols.org/

One of their members posts on the OFCC forums on occasion.

Like Sent said, you have to be prepared to defend yourself and those you love. Noone else is going to.

Here is a story about a fifteen year old getting shot and killed trying to rob a licensed ccw'er here in Ohio. http://www.ohioccw.org/

This is the world we live in. Do what you can to be prepared.

 

Yea, I posted about the VA Tech shootings that some would say was "a bit early". But here is the Brady Bunch. Read the comments. http://www.bradycampaign.org/blog/2007/04/18/32-dead-what-are-we-going-to-do-about-it/#comments

Several right off the bat are mentioning the Brady Bunch and them asking for money.

The comments are very well written. Some even from the Brady Bunch followers wondering how they could be asking for money so soon.

They are about money. If things like this don't happen, no need for them. THEY NEED PEOPLE TO DIE FROM HANDGUNS TO SUPPORT THEIR LIFESTYLES.

Again, my point was to protect your Right to be armed. Theirs is monetary.

Remember Fred Phelps? His idiot family is at it again http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/18/national/main2699800.shtml

From what I've read about the Phelps Cult, they do this to get people to react physically and then sue. That is their way to make money.

Just because someone SAYS they know what's best, it is in YOUR best interest to look into the FACTS.

As for the Brady Bunch, they never mention Murder is illegal and doesn't stop people. They don't mention that guns were already illegal on V Tech. Reason? Because if people realized CRIMINLAS don't follow LAWS, then their WHOLE GROUP is a waste of time. Which would mean they would have to get REAL JOBS.

 

An update on the dude who protected himself from the fifteen year old robber. The neighborhood has retaliated against him. After the damage done to his house, it is now boarded up, and apparently noone lives there anymore.

There are teddybears and such outside where the criminal died. They are supporting the criminal. His family feels someone should be punished for their kids criminal behavior. Certainly not the criminal, but the law-abiding citizen.

THIS is the kind of world we live in.

Oh, the fifteen year old was already on probation, for the same thing six months prior.

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http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/regina_brett/index.ssf?/base/opinion/117749066813670.xml&coll=2

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A good read here http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html

An update on the self-defense shooting. The dead robber's accomplice has been charged with murder. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/05/prosecutors_charge_teen_with_m.html

 

I carry mainly a 9mm. I have ammo for Close Quarters. It will expand enough to either not go through, or if it does, it's momentum is slowed enough not to do any serious damage on the other side. Basically it is what a lot of police carry.

At VA Tech, if they had fired on him, no one would have been behind him, as he walked in the door and started shooting, he didn't ask people to surround him, nor did he run into the middle of everyone.

Those people at VA Tech never needed a firearm....until that day.

Firearms are used to defend against crime around two million times a year.

People who use a firearm to defend themself don't say "I'm going to carry today because today I will need to."

Sometimes those who don't have a firearm to defend themselves NEVER get the chance to do so again.

The students at VA Tech were in a Gun Free Zone...Cho didn't care. Weapon Free Zones are Criminal Protection Zones.

I hope I NEVER have to use my weapon. Where do I sign up for the thing that GUARANTEES me I will never need a weapon? Until they set that up, I will never walk down the block without my gun being cocked.

Having to kill someone will certainly change your life. But I would rather have my life CHANGE, than to NOT be able to change it, as it has been taken by some criminal.

If I was setting up the Rally, and saw that "no weapons of any kind" were allowed, I would have asked them about this policy. And certainly asked them how I would cut my steak, as a knife is a weapon. I would also ask about pointy sticks and rocks. And if they provided 24/7 armed security at each cabin point of entrance.

They don't, so how can they say I have NO right to defend myself in the odd event I needed to?

You forget that not only are humans dangerous, but wildlife is also. What will you have to defend against a black bear? They are one of the most aggressive of the bear bunch. Is everyone going well versed on how to handle food and how to store it to keep a bear from investigating, looking for free food?

Nothing may ever happen, and we all hope it doesn't. But it happens, ask those it has happened to, if they are still alive.

 

I haven't asked the big boss guy if I can carry at work. I lock it up in my vehicle at this time. I'm not going to quit if I weren't allowed because I have bills to pay, and other such things that gainful employment allow me.

However, if not going to someplace that doesn't recognize my right to keep and bear arms doesn't affect my life, then I will opt not to go.

Besides, $150 I can find better things to do with. I wasn't sure I could go in the first place due to the money....the "no weapons of any kind", like I said, sealed the deal.

As I didn't set this up, by me questioning the people who run this place I don't really have anything to say to them, as I am just one person.

If I was the one organizing it, then I could use the group as leverage in the fact that I will find another place that is more friendly. I would state that this could be a yearly thing, with possible growth of attendance, and if they want to keep to the "no weapons of any kind" stance, then my group will find a more accommodating business.

Using money is one way to get things done. Either spending it or not.

For example: where I worked before I frequented the Frishe's drive-thru a lot. They put up a gun buster sign right after passage of Ohio's CCW law (HB12). When I saw it, I asked the hot chick at the window about the sign. She said she didn't know much about it, so I asked for the manager. He said it was about the new law. I said "I know, and I'm a CHL carrier, and I come through the drive-thru a lot."

He said "Well, since you don't come inside, you aren't affected by it". I told him I won't be coming through if the sign stays, and will ask others to stay away also. And I waited for two weeks, driving through the parking lot occasionally to see if it was there. It was eventually removed.

Did I have anything to do with it? Who knows. Frische's Corporate had said they don't force their places to post, but can if they want to. The hot chick at the window, when I finally came back, said she thought it was cool I did that. So, perhaps I showed at least one individual that standing up for your rights can work, and one way to do it.

Even now there are many college students gearing up to fight the campuses to allow students, who are licensed, to carry on campus.

But again, I wasn't sure I could make it anyway, so that part just made the decision easier.

I'm not looking for places to use my weapon, just trying to keep away from places I might need it, and not be allowed to have it.

And as an aside note...I mentioned those VA Tech students didn't need a firearm until that day. I mispoke, as I don't know how many of them had been robbed, raped, or assaulted before this. So they perhaps could have needed a firearm even before this unfortunate incident.

 

Fighting back can help

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Egad!!! Clerks who value their life and fight back!! Where are the sheep going?? What is this country coming to?? Where oh where are the sheep??

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070527/NEWS/70527009

One story of how things should go.

Wake up, America!